Conservapedia is fighting hard, right now, to remove these offending verses from the Bible. A central tenet of the mainstream Christian faith is that Jesus Christ died and rose again, as we all shall. Unfortunately, there's scant evidence for this. Many non- canonical Gospels present Jesus from an alternative perspective, and the apostles as well. It is hard to reconcile this line with the popular modern perception of Jesus, leading many to believe that the real person Jesus, and his real ministry, were likely much more complicated than modern Christianity maintains, and interpreted differently by different people.
Similarly, the acts that Jesus inspired in his followers differ according to different tales. Christianity emerged, as a result of Pauline leadership, as a steady-state religion that could weave subtly into the fabric of the Roman Empire. Other tales of Jesus and his followers, though, make him out to be much more of a revolutionary. In this tale, Paul also appears as much more of a social revolutionary than we have come to know him. Acts was a popular story in the early Roman world. However, it has largely vanished, as a result of its lack of incorporation into the canon. It is possible that this revolutionary, original personality of the Jesus movement was deliberately abandoned by Paul in his attempt to popularize the religion.
Also abandoned by Paul were the strong Jewish roots of Christianity. Plus he's likely responsible for Christianity's puritannical attitude toward sex, given his Roman roots. The claim at the heart of the Christian faith is that Jesus of Nazareth was, and is, God. But this is not what the original disciples believed during Jesus's lifetime — and it is not what Jesus claimed about himself. For most of the Middle Ages option 3 gained popular favor, partly due to the slight risk of being executed if on the losing side of the argument.
There are people who appear to believe that Jesus was an alien or that aliens brought Jesus to Earth. Many websites are devoted to this idea,  although they appear to have crossed over the Poe Line. If it was God-the-Father, or even the Holy Spirit who impregnated Mary, mother of Jesus, and if all three, Father, Son and Holy Ghost are in fact the same being, it raises some troubling questions about exactly who did what to whom.
The most basic tenet of Christianity is that Jesus was essentially a human sacrifice , but also, depending on your conception of Jesus, a deicide. It is the foundation of the entire religion. Given the tenets of mainstream Christianity, its basic belief could be summed up as "God required a human sacrifice before he would allow himself to forgive us for something we didn't do.
That Jesus is advocating either real or symbolic cannibalism when he says, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Now sensible Christians interpret Communion to be a symbolic eating of Christ's flesh which would make it merely ritual cannibalism , but the Catholic Church insists that parishoners are eating the physical body and drinking the physical blood of Christ, while simultaneously tooth-and-nail denying that this amounts to cannibalism. Truly, the Lord and his followers acts in mysterious ways.
The followers of Jesus, many years later, came up with a more complicated lineage of Jesus the Nicene Creed , that either Jesus is his own father if the three entities of the Holy Trinity are each other or God the Father isn't exactly the father of Jesus if the three entities of the Trinity are not each other.
This does raise the important theological question whether, if Jesus had a son, he would be his own grandpa. The Jewish People regard Jesus of Nazareth as a false Messiah, since he did not fulfill any of the messianic prophecies. The two views are incompatible.
Muslims, who refer to Jesus as "Isa," believe they take the middle ground on Jesus. Muslims consider Jesus one of the most important prophets, the Messiah as predicted in the Torah, and a precursor to Muhammad. They believe he was born of a virgin and performed miracles throughout his ministry. They do not believe he is God incarnate, and they believe that he ascended into heaven without being crucified or resurrected — the crucifixion was only an illusion created by God.
Jesus also plays a prominent role in Islamic end times, returning to defeat evil once and for all. The Twelver Shi'a sect believes Jesus will return together with the Mahdi. As such, the Islamic vision of Jesus is, ironically , closer to fulfill the messianic propheties than the Christian vision of Jesus. In Judaism, Jesus is generally not considered to be the Messiah. One understanding of the messiah is based on the writings of Maimonides also known as Rambam thank you mam.
His views on the messiah are discussed in his Mishneh Torah, his fourteen-volume compendium of Jewish law. According to Maimonides:. Heracles was also the son of God and a mortal female but the Greeks simply acknowledged him as a demigod. Mind you, Heracles' father was Zeus, who was known for banging literally any woman he wanted to anyway he pleased, thus fathering a lot of children. For more references, consult almost every Greek myth. Indeed, the core concept of a demigod stretches all the way back to Gilgamesh, said to be two thirds-god, one third-mortal.
In some mythological traditions, Dionysus a Phrygian god of drunkenness, wine, and ritual madness whose cult was imported into the Roman Empire, is killed and then resurrected. This parallel was noted even in the ancient world, with YHVH being identified, via interpretatio romana , with Dionysus. Though it should be noted the parallels end about there, as Dionysus was most likely a death-rebirth god so this featured prominently in his myths and actually has very little in common with YHVH aside from that.
The Greeks and Romans had a tendency to invoke foreign gods as a way to make their spells more powerful. There are records that they would even invoke cultural heroes like Moses. This was a major source of conflict between Romans and Jews, followed by the Christians, as the Abrahamic religions are very clear that there is only one god. This was a big reason for the Jewish Revolts against the Roman Empire. Many comparisons have been drawn between Jesus and the Egyptian gods Horus and Osiris, with Horus providing the Madonna-and-child symbolism and Osiris providing the death-and-rebirth narrative, common in multiple other religions.
However, Osiris does not in fact come back to life, but becomes god of the land of the dead. Some people speculate that death is relatively common in some human cultures which explains why death would be said to affect some deities without them having to rely on external myth sources for inspiration for a dying deity that is able to come back to life.
There are few ancient sources on Jesus' life. All surviving mentions of Jesus in ancient times are in texts written decades or more after his supposed death. While later Roman and Jewish sources do mention him, the gospels contradict themselves and each other on the key events. The New Testament is factually incorrect on many historical events, such as the reign of Herod and the Roman census. Therefore, it is not clear whether Jesus was in fact a historical person.
An important tactic of conservative Christians in their attempts to dominate the world is to try to use science to prove that Jesus really did exist. Ironically, their attempts to do this are not blocked or dismissed by scholars, because many, if not most, scholars already accept the idea that Jesus was a real man who, in or around 30 CE, was acting as teacher, mystic , spiritualist , healer , political activist, or religious revolutionary.
The scholarly claims are primarily made and backed up not by historical records, of which there are a precious few, but through accepted claims on the nature of mythology and new religions. But fear not, good atheists , agnostics , and all those who routinely battle fundamentalist Christians or other pushy types. Just because a dude "likely existed" and if so, was seemingly observed roaming the countryside, preaching the splendor of faith in the great architect of the cosmos using vegetables as visual aids , this in no way validates anything that is in the Biblical accounts of the mythic Christ character.
That is to say, even if we could prove the existence of Jesus of Nazareth beyond the shadow of a doubt, that would hardly prove that he died. Well, he died the scholarly consensus is that everyone dies. But it hardly proves his daddy brought him back to life, holes in his hands and all.
In fact, some brave atheists contend that Christian mythology, like most mythology, is false or just plain silly if taken as fact about the natural universe a claim that for centuries would have caused the Christians to burn the Heretics at the stake. Historian Dr. Richard Carrier is one such atheist who makes this claim in his academically published, double-blind, peer-reviewed publication on the subject of the magic man held so dear to so many Christian and Muslim hearts.
He does this by ascribing subjective numerical probabilities to the extraordinary claims that are so central to the beliefs of Christians. While this argument is dangerously similar to creationists' fallacious use of big numbers , it does have the delicious irony of using their own line of reasoning against them. Onward, Hufflepuff soldiers! But please, keep your Hogwarts out of our schools and secular constitutional democracies, thanks! One question is, if there was a real man who inspired the biblical Jesus but whose real life and character are very far from the popular myth, do we say he was Jesus?
If his name was Matthew and he was a drunken brawler and frequent patron of brothels, is he close enough to count? Or what if he was an itinerant preacher but didn't do or say hardly any of the things attributed to him in the gospels? Depending on where you land on this question, noting that myths tend to be inspired by a real story doesn't mean that Jesus existed.
Jesus was a Jew and likely olive-skinned, spoke Aramaic rather than some European language that would not exist for at least a thousand years , contrary to many popular depictions of Jesus as a Krazy Kracker with NordiK features. Assuming the historicity of Jesus, the fact that the historic Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew of Middle Eastern descent directly challenges many of the anti-Semitic attitudes that have characterized elements of Christianity since early times. Jump to: navigation , search. There have been many proposed sons of god, and this Jesus person is no more valid or profound than his priestly precursors.
In fact, his contemporary Apollonius was unquestionably the superior logician and philosopher. See the main article on this topic: Resurrection of Jesus. For apocryphal scriptural support of this theory, see our article on the wonders of Barbelo. See also: Judaism's view of the Messiah. Now, His sacrifice on the cross can be the payment for your sins if you will just decide to forsake sin in your life once and for all repentance and believe that Jesus is the only one that can save you from going to Hell because He has made a payment for your sins.
Trust Jesus for your eternity just like how you trust a parachute to save you from plunging to death after jumping off an airplane. Then claim this beautiful promise from the Bible as true and sure: John "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son Jesus , that whoever believes in Him Jesus will not perish not go to hell anymore but have everlasting life in Heaven with God ". Thanks for taking time to read my article and posting your comments.
I will pray for you. Ramsey God inspired us the soul to understand what is right and what is wrong [Quran ] It is up to us to choose a path; whether right or wrong. Voodoo is already wrong and there is no such thing as white voodoo. Quran is already enough for the muslim as a white voodoo.
Every single word in it is equal to a spell if you believe in it. God said "We reveal of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to the believers, and it adds only to the perdition of the unjust" [Quran ]. I take exception to 5. None of them preach from the lab book when explaining their professional work. I content that pastors ought to stop practicing ad hoc science when the bible and discovery come into conflict. Science and faith do not have to be in conflict - but the loudest complainers often are people like you who claim that there is a problem.
In my mind, you commit the sin of false witness when you make wrong-minded covering statements as you have. You have also committed the sin of pride - by making the assumption that non-believers are the ones you are in conflict with. You have also committed a heresy of false teaching, preaching that only non-believers make scientific statements that go contrary to what are essentially traditions of men.
The Bible; a blessed Holy book, or just another book? Historical facts about The Holy Bible: Written over an accumulated period of fifteen hundred plus years. Forty writers penned the words, forty writers from: Different backgrounds, Different vocations, and Different times. Prophecies penned down and proclaimed hundreds of years earlier in the Old testament, then fullfilled in Jesus Christ in the New testament.
Please reference Hebrews 1: 1 and 2 and II Peter God speaks to us and teaches us His thoughts, His plan, for all He knew that was going to happen, in the Holy Bible. For can love not given from free will be true love. Even the angels desire to look into our lives and wonder what it is like to choose God and His ways. To take part in this wonderful plan of salvation. The angels were created to serve and do God's will, without the free will we have been given.
Can't remember the script ref for this, but it is in the Bible. All law and commandments from God are from love towards us. If u tell your child to not run into the road after a ball, you made that rule to only give your child safety and protection, not to exert your own power, but from love. God loves us, wanted our free will love back, and then made sure we could be reconciled again unto him when we strayed, through His own sacrifice on the cross.
So when we find Faith in the Bible and it's words, then we see the beautiful love and plan of God. Love to all and to whosoever WILL, free will to choose to eccept a free gift. Just sharing some thoughts on the Bible. Love to you all! Glory always to God. In His service, Annette. Jesus is well described in the vedas that date years ago. So no one on earth has any excuses of not knowing Jesus..
If God loves and wants us to have free will to choose what to do then why would he make things evil? Why would he judge us for doing things that we want when he wants us to do what we want? And since he knows what's gonna happen in the future then why would he put us here knowing we are gonna fail and end up in Hell? I mean I have been a Christian most of my life and I go to church and pray and read my Bible but it seems like I never get a response from him and recently it's been bothering me really bad and I'm to the point where if he doesn't show me why then I'm no longer go care.
But I know he is there and I know the things in the Bible happened but I just wanna no why if he loves us so much then why wouI'd he make us knowing that we will fail and that most of us will have to be sent to HelI because we don't do what he want. When he is the one that put us here and he his the one that gave us free will to do what we want and he knew from the start that we were gonna fail?
If someone could answer me I would appreciate it a lot. I believe i just want too ask im going too start too read the Bible but just wondering y dident he create us in the eternal life instead of are life now create us with him and show us instead of letting us read the bible like be there not too argue or anything but y this life instead of just letting us start out in his realm of life i know too show true love but y cant we show him there where hes at.
The problem with the Bible is that you have to have "faith" that it is God's word. Unfortunately, I can't see that God would be so hypocritical, vague, and disorganized in His thinking and expression of same. Add to that, the problems inherent with the fact that the Bible is made up of writings that have been voted upon, agree to, and organized by the same Catholic Church that you infer is neo-Christian at best.
Whole gospels have been left out, and the words of a sales pro like Paul who never met Christ , and is accused of being the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus" by none other than Thomas Jefferson. I also submit that it is impossible to have God be involved in our everyday lives if he truly gives us free will. Then, it becomes impossible for God to fairly judge us if we don't have free will. I, for myself, accept only the writings about the works and words of Christ Himself, found in more than one gospel if possible, especially His words that we have one and only one law that he has given us.
That is to love one another. I give less credence to the Old Testament which He stated, in a politically correct manner given the times and intellectual level of his audience, that although he wasn't here to destroy the old laws, he was here to FULFILL them. That being said, I translate that to mean the old laws are fulfilled, done, over.
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New law.. I'm not impressed nor swayed by a "corrupter" like Paul, who relies more upon the words of the OT, and less upon the works and words of Jesus himself. Men are men, and Men say the Bible, including the writings of Paul, are God's word. I, for myself only, don't buy it. However, most of what is portrayed in books, movies, and television is actually hoodoo. Voodoo is a religion that has two markedly different branches: Haitian Vodou and Louisiana Vodoun. Hoodoo is neither a religion, nor a denomination of a religion—it is a form of folk magic that originated in West Africa and is mainly practiced today in the Southern United States.
Their practices were also influenced through syncretism with French Catholicism; this is evidenced in the use of Catholic saint images to represent the Lwa spirits honored in Vodou. If the children of God are predestined, isn't God is merciful, what about those who are not predestined? Just like a painting is worth so are the words he spoke, and I believe with everything in me.
And made fun of and always ask for guidance, mercy and forgiveness. Sometimes I feel like I might be the last real believer. Last year I do t know if I died our was just under stress but I felt the weight of the world on my shoulders and felt all sin not just mine but all. Now it's getting Easyer but when I see the good In people but it's the bad that I look for to see if there hearts are good or bad and if they steel have a soul.
Nowadays people say know one loves one another any more. And parents give up on there kids because of some infarction of a man made law. When all along its part of learning and giving our true nature as a living God that is in each one of us to to stand for what's right and see that justice be served. And that wicked dose not twist the mind of the week or use good people to try to set up Gods people for profit of defenseless poor ,meek family's that struggle because the power of money and manipulation.
Steeling people's names and killing them off because of an inheritance. God is in me and the word also. Listen to your heart and nature he all around not just in a book. Because in that book the is an end but God is eternal. All my love and blessings to you and my family in spirit of the living lord. This is simply the way I view the history of God and the way people interact with their God and themselves to this day.
Not one thing had flaw and coexisted in perfect harmony as all perfect things do. Everything in the universe was precisely as it should be. All placed in exactly the perfect location so that everything worked together like a well-oiled gear, every planet, every star, every moon, everything you could imagine.
It was almost as if everything was breathing. All moving in and out and keeping perfect rhythm and timing so as not to harm itself There was only perfection as nothing else was known. These times were very peaceful and calm. These times were divine and awe inspiring. These times where full of miracles.
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Jumping ahead, to what we all know now as Earth, many more miracles were happening. Everything necessary to support life was happening. The waters, the air, the land masses, all were getting ready to support more new and amazing things. Then life happened. Plants, insects, fish, birds, and all forms of animals The dependency of one thing did not outweigh that of another. Enter the creation of what we call humans. So I will simply say we were created. The humans started naming everything that existed on Earth and everything around, all they could name they did give it one.
The stars and planets and everything in the heavens also they named. The humans grew and eventually, like adolescent teens towards their parents, thought they knew more than God. They learned more words like soft and hard, thick and thin, small and large and many, many more opposites that we all still know to this day. Perhaps everything else has an opposite as well and created many of them not even knowing what they were. They were very much unprepared. God offered to prepare them more so they would not be so lost but, due to free will, they declined the offer and did as they chose.
They learned on their own. More time passed and they had children and they had children and so on and so on Eventually the tribe became larger and larger and separated. Then those tribes did the same and so on and so on until there were multitudes of separate tribes. What happened next was the inevitable when you have a bunch of separated peoples. They started changing the rules because they thought that they knew better than the other tribe on how things should be done.
So now each tribe, as a result, also thought that the tribe they were in was better than any of the others, quite the opposite that God wanted. Intervention was tried again because a very bad future could be seen. Humanities future of hate, wars, famines and other things that are harming, all because they thought they knew what was best. Each tribe even went as far as to say many things that I shall not repeat because it was simply not true. Everyone fighting everyone all related. They were more distant relatives but still related none the less. It came to the point where fights and killings within tribes began Then it truly was closer family members.
Still God tried helping all of his people but they still would not listen. All the predictions came true because with actions there are consequences. So I now ask you this question, and this is why the title of the book, if each tribe had a different version of God, then which tribes had the imaginary ones? Now apply this question today. Well you're pretty much saying "Why didngod pit us on this earth, if he knew we were going to be evil.
Another answer is, free will is free will, he gave it to you because he loves you. Without free will, people would basically be robots. Remember, the DEVIL roams the earth, the devil pretty much owns the earth, all of the sin and disgusting things. The devil is allowed to roam the earth, god does not. God wants us to just believe in him, and be righteous to each other.
Also, you can't put yourself in gods shoes. God isn't human. When you say "why did god give us free will, but he knew evil was going to come out of it. Wait, who is making evil happen on earth? That doesn't make any sense. You can't place yourself in gods shoes. But what I still want to know is, how the afterlife will be, and why god has granted us ancafterlife. The bible doesn't contradict itself which I dispute, but that's another conversation because it was canonized in such a way that it wouldn't. The council where the Bible was canonized dismissed ancient texts The books of Enoch, Jasher, Jubilees, etc.
Likewise, the Gnostic Gospels of Jesus' disciples are not canon. Similarly, the Catholic Faith has 5 additional books in their version of the bible the Apocrypha and the Ethiopic Bible includes the book of Enoch. So which Bible is inspired by God entirely? The Protestant Bible? If so, how do you know that? The problem with accepting a year-old text as pardon the pun Gospel, is that through translation and canonization, even if the originals were inspired by the Holy Ghost, the countless translations aren't.
Example: Genesis states that the 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. This is the ancient Hebrew word So if I find this one mistake within 20 minutes of thinking about it, doesn't that prove that translations matter? And if translations matter, then which one is the closest to God's actual word? How would we know? Are there other books of the Bible still watiing to be discovered in an ancient Library? So you can see the issues with declaring an ancient text the unassailable and only true word of God The bible is the short version of reality.
Everything Man needed to know was written in the very first chapter of genesis. That is what makes God happy. The rest was written by men with agenda's to this day they are using the bible against mankind. Every animal on the planet with a soul could have been our best friends but we failed them and God…. The beet thing I read that made me understand or accept better these confused expeculations and why we are already chosen since the very beginning is the conspiracy theory of the reptilians. The snake in the paradise was Satan. Eve has generated 2 sons: Abel and again.
Cain is not totally human. He is the son of Satan. Therefore we are a race of human divide into 1 Original humans. So since we are intelligent we try by rehearsal and error, which gives everyone a state of anxiety since we know we can be mislead any time by our hybrid half-brothers. Plus, I consider anything that comes between us and God in a alive inner conversation a Idol God. One of them is exactly a book called Bible.
God needs more friends to play with. Eternity is lonely, and good and bad both are two-points of perspective. You are the third-point of perspective. Which angel, or devil whispers in your ear, or is it your own thoughts. Is that you John Wayne? Is this me? I was told once, that GOD is the author and finisher of your faith. But hey GOD loves you. How many G.
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Joes, and Barbie's must suffer before we become entertained? Currently, on this web site, a clock counting how many people will die to day. Like the American deficit clock, the numbers steadily grow beyond measure. If the measure of GOD's love is to sacrifice his only begotten son, how much greater are we? GOD is a kid on an ant hill with a magnifying glass. Games are much more fun when there are participants, and winning brings joy to any victorious outcome.
Yes GOD wants to be glorified and feel good. Who among us wants to feel bad? He made us in his image. So if we are cut from the same cloth, that means there has to be some sin in GOD. His sin is reflected as the same that we reflect whenever we do sin. Then we call it nature.
False Idols. How many times have I contemplated who is the GOD we need to bring us to serenity. Let us dismiss all other deities and false prophets, idols and such, and be Christ like. WHat greater comfort in the consciousness of our own existence than to know that the vessels that we travel in, exist for a reason. To reach a destination.
MOrtals speak about a timeless paradise , to which no one has been there, and no one will return from. When Jesus died he went down to hell to recover keys, a symbol of his victory over death. Something to think about. Man's constant insight of something he does not see, nor understands. What happens when you die? So many years have passed and so many theory's are known. GOD choose the people in the Bible. GOD chose you. GOD desires your heart, and your mind, your life was always his.
So go live. And know that GOD loves and kills. Hello Omar, God does speak to us. It's called a still small voice. If you are not hearing that voice then you have to make some changes. Remember the bible says "my sheep hear my voice" so make sure you are his sheep and you will hear him speak. I hear him all the time! God does not let you worship false gods, you let yourself worship false gods. God has sent his holy spirit and angels to minister to people daily.
Who do you think talks to you when you are about to do something bad? Do you think bad people dont know they are doing bad? They do but chose to do it anyway. And God says we should pray for a discerning spirit so we can discern and know what is of God and what isnt. You have to understand that science was made by man, remember we have free will and choice. You have the freewill to do whatever you want to do, you cant blame God for that, its your free will. Moreover science was born to try to understand the power of God. How he created the world out of nothing, Cos I can assure you even in we still dont have an answer as to how we got here.
All we have are theories, theories that cant be proven. I'm a scientist so I can tell u, science is all about investigating and trying to find an answer, it is not the ultimate. Science makes mistakes all the time, in fact we are told that in science there is no bad experiment, even a wrong answer is a right answer bcos u learn something from it.
This should tell u that science is here to investigate and know thing better. How things were created. Science does not have an answer. We all have free will and we can decide what we want. God is fair and it would be infair to take our choice or free will from us. If we were created without free will I can assure u that Man will complain and say they are robots.
No one wants to be a robot. After Man sinned and kinda showed God that they could take care of themselves and govern themselves and decide what is good and evil God let them. He let man rule the world the way they want to and see what has happened. God cant be blamed for anything man has done, he clearly told adam that if he disobeys he will die.
Adam made a choice to disobey, you cant blame God for that. What you see around you is as a result of our choice. Even in our sin he still sacrificed his only son to save us. We dont have a right to complain, we are under grace and mercy. God is also principled and he does not lie.
He has destroyed the world several times before, we should not deceive ourselves and say he cant do it again or he wouldnt let ppl go to hell. Thats our choice. The only reason why he hasnt swept us from the face of the earth is cos the blood of his son covers us and when he sees us he sees his son. He sees his sons suffering to save us so he wont destroy all that by destroying us. He is giving us time to listen to the truth and make a choice. All u have to do is pray to God to show you the truth, tell him to speak to you, tell him to give you a discerning spirit. We all have angels trying to pull us constantly to God and towards the truth.
God loves us all and it breaks his heart to see the work of his creation perish. It hurts him more than you can imagine. Think about it, if you had only 1 son that you love so much, will you let him suffer and die for people that hate you? No one will do that, but God did, cos even though humans hate him, he still loves them.
Brod that's true because god is a ferfect god and a true god of All man and wemen living in this world. Only in the Torah we see Yahuwah speak directly. Not a single soul is going to leave this earth without knowing him. It applies right from the time of Adam. No soul can enter the kingdom of heaven without cleansing himself from the original sin.
That man replied happily, I am the Son of God, born to a virgin. My name is Eesa Maseeha. Thomas or any of the Apostles who died for Jesus did not tell anything about muhammed or any future prophets. God freely gives us His wisdom if we ask for it. We have to imvite His Holy Spirit to dwell in us. Omar, I see you are in turmoil, fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. May God fill ypu with His truth. The Holy Spirit entered us when we decided to give our life to Christ, to become a Christian. But we need to continually ask the Holy Spirit to lead us, to guide us, to help us do the things God wants us to do.
The Holy Spirit is our guide and gives us discernement, showing us what is right or wrong. Thankfully God also created for us the Bible which is lifes instruction manual. It works. Sending prayers. The logic in this article is illogical. There is no answer as to why the all knowing God created man even though he knew what would happen we will kill each other off.
He knew what would follow. We don't know, period. A long period of evolution with evil involved, was necessary for humans to have free choice: without absolute proof influencing factors! We need to choose Unconditional Love in return for the Love given us by God. Look around you, and within you at The Glory of life and living things, and make a choice! The Love of God is fully displayed, along with the hate of evil. That is Free Choice; in the image of Our God of love or otherwise.
So choose! Not only did God give you freewill he sent you with spiritual guidance. I believe that heaven and hell are a state of mind if you choose to live in misery that would be hell but if you choose to live happy no matter what that would be heaven. We are balls of energy raise your vibrations by seeking the truth as to why we are really here and how love never dies and neither do we. Blessings love and light. God created man higher than the angels and the angels are supposed to Honor mankind. But some angels were jealous and did not wish to honor man and hence these angels were thrown out of heaven as the 'fallen' angels.
So Lucifer was a fallen angel. Dennis provided the perfect answer for your question. But as a Buddhist convert to Christian I think I can add to that. According to the bible 1 John NIV We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them. We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true.
And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Dear children, keep yourselves from idols. This is what written. From the time Adam and eve first sinned against God. And god didn't create evil. It's because of man who sinned against God that had created all these bad things. And since then satan have observed mankind till nowadays. He knows how to trap us all. Through the media and even science. Homosexuality was a lie by the devil.
Even the fake religions can impart evil sprit then they can perform healing and wonders as satan has power but God is greater. So human as intelligent as they can be can be tricked. But the truth is, devil perform wonders to let people believe. But God first let you believe then show you wonders. It's real. As I had became a learner of the Word bible a. The bible is from heaven. Yes and also that more people would follow Jesus to have faith in one's self that his father without a doubt. Thus having no fear of not knowing , and fear would only flow through God's and his wrath.
Then science would be used for only good to better man kind. Never to be used to gain a position of power over your neighbor's. Or to emposse ownership, or in just laws that say we have to pay a tax , or use a licensing system to our God given right to fish, hunt and forage. God does not whisper he lives in us all. He gives us all we need and in time he will give you the words to speak. Any disbelieve and then evil whispers " take it" God roars that's not yours. But you are free and have free will do as you will fear not for I am always here. Look at the time lines and dout me no more.
He knows what you need before you say it. Rest today and pray. God DOES give man guidance. There is this page book on how we should live our lives. Its called the bible which God gave us. Its only been rewritten to either translate or re word things for people to understand them. Thats where we get different versions from. I don't need god, why because I could do better without him anyway god need me to do his will, even thought god know I was right, god need to exploit my life for his need wicked lord who can only think of his own feeling selfish and wicked if you ask me.
I understand your question and believe me I asked them myself but the truth is God is " whispering in the ears of men" God gave his disciples the great commission which is simply beautiful job of going out into the entire world and repeating what the Holy Spirit speaks to them in regards to the gospel of Jesus Christ and saving blood and as all Christians know the Holy Spirit simply repeated what he hears from God All nations everywhere our being called to repentance and unto salvation through the savings blood of Jesus Christ John For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Scripture shows us that God loved his creation so much that he sent his son to provide his creation with the means for salvation John for God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him this scripture shows us that God has no desire for any one of his created people to parish instead Word of God shows us that God desires is to give man li Word of God shows us that God desires is to give man life to the full God is indeed whispering in your ear Right now through his people please except the call and allow God To show you the Joyeuse Richly fulfilling life has in store for you he loves you and is offering you life to the full please except the offering.
I completely agree with you. Mankind was set up to fail. God created Adam and Eve and Lucifer. Since god knows the future, he had to know that Lucifer would rebel against him, thus causing Adam and Eve to sin. To compound this, he send Lucifer to the earth to assure all future generations would have deal with him.
God creates hell as a punishment for the fallen angels, but also sends mankind there as well for disobedience. God sends Jesus to earth to redeem us from our sins, but nothing in the physical realm changed. We still get old, have sicknesses and evil in the world. Jesus dies and goes to hell to take away the keys of death and hell, but we still die. I have studied with different faiths to get knowledge and understanding, but i:m still confused.
God can have the ability to wisper into our ear and tell us what is right. But should that not be human decency to automatically know to resist the evil and continue looking to him. You have to use w. Imagine a new color that has never been seen. Now take that and apply it to god. We can't understand the deep details of how he works because we learn and understand from what we see. If we can't even imagine a new color then how can we even attempt to understand gods mind? He will give us understanding when we meet him in heaven. Interesting article, and I like that you have tried to follow a logical path to reason.
You give explanation of evil - but you give no proper explanation for the 'suffering' to innocents caused by evil done by others. How fair is that? Ps- I am not Christian but Muslim, but I was troubles by these questions and searched the net, stumbled on your article. Dear Muhammad, First of all, I thank you for taking the time to read my article.
I really appreciate it. Regarding your question about the fairness of God to allow evils done to man by other men and Satan, I'd like to explain that the original world God gave us was perfect and had no sufferings and mistreatment from others. It was man who destroyed the perfect world God gave us when Adam and Eve decided to disobey God man's freewill in action. Even thorns on plants weren't present before Adam and Eve sinned Genesis From then on, the world started a spiral journey downwards.
Sufferings now abound because we likewise continue to displease God who gave us Commandments to obey through the prophet Moses. We all have lied, stolen things, dishonored our parents, committed adultery by looking at people with lust, etc. And our sins, although when committed is technically done in defiance of God, also affects others. Criminals that murder are not the only ones that bring sufferings to others. We also bring sufferings to others when we commit sin. How many have been hurt by lies we have said? How many people have lost something because we stole these things from them?
How many parents are hurt because of our dishonoring of them? How many women have been left with scars in their hearts because we have committed adultery with other women? All of these hurt others because we chose to use our free will wrongly. In essence, God allows suffering because we ourselves chose that sin reign in our lives. I think that's fair. But here's something that's not fair. Why did He allow Himself to go through that? So that man's sins which is punishable by death Romans can have a payment. It was us who did those sins and enjoyed doing them, but it was He who made a payment for them.
Now that's not fair. But He did it anyway because He wants us to someday have a life way different from the life we have here when He brings us to Heaven. If we want God to be fair, what we should have is not just suffering in this world. We should have death and Hell because of our sins. But God instead, gave us mercy and grace when He took our punishment by dying at the cross.
All we need to do now is come to Him in humility, acknowledging our sinfulness, so ashamed of them that we desire to forsake sin once and for all, and trust that what Jesus did on that cruel cross is the only payment for our sins. John tells us that " God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son Jesus , that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
He rose from the grave. He conquered sin! It is my prayer that my reply to your comment will be helpful in answering your questions in life. I took time to make this response because I care for you. Please read the verses I gave from Bible. It won't hurt to just look them up. I pray for God's blessing to you.
Sincerely Dennis Mark Y. Dear Dennis Thank you for a detailed reply. Much appreciated. I agree with the explanation that evil is man's doing - that the original world God gave man was free of evil and sinless and it is man's sins that have started the downward spiral you mentioned. By analogy, would you give a child a knife when you know the child will hurt himself and others?
Of course not. You said in the original article that the purpose of creation of man was for God to receive freely given love from man — sounds very unfair selfish and even cruel if I may, of God to put man thru this evil just to fulfil that purpose. I am also Christian, and also happened to stumble on your article. I couldn't help but notice you say It is hard to discern the exact reason for our creation. Since God needs nothing. I will say though that we know that if God created us, we are accountable to his law, and for breaking his law, we deserve death and eternal wrath.
How much more do we deserve suffering in the present? All suffering is caused by the sin of man, which God created. I believe in the end it will work to God's glory. He is just. Scott, I find it hard to believe that we all deserve death and eternal wrath for breaking any of his laws. The Bible is huge and in many parts contradictory, but at the same time, the Bible commands us to not work on the Sabbath capitalism has led to the complete destruction of that , we can't eat pork, we are supposed to stone to death any rebellious teens, anyone who is of a different religion, anyone who curses their mothers or fathers, etc.
Jesus also taught us that we should mutilate and maim ourselves if it means that we are sinning, like gouging our eyes out, as it is better to live with one eye than to sin and live the rest of your eternal life in hell. But that would pretty much make everybody maimed and deformed. I know the Bible isn't supposed to be taken literally, but you can't have it both ways, where people take the literal meanings of the bible like gay marriage and abortions , and twist it to fit into their beliefs, but get upset when these things like what I said above are pointed out.
It's either we must live where all those who follow Christianity abides by the literal teachings of the bible or we take the metaphorical and use it as a moral compass, but it cannot be both. That is the biggest issue with the free will debate. That from a religious standpoint, they'll take the literal meaning of it, but still claim the Bible to be a metaphorical piece of work, that we must apply the teachings to our daily lives, not to live by every word written. Hi, I think that God allows these pains and sufferings because He loves us. Why do i say this? Take you earthly father who regardless of your nagging to go to that high school party says NO.
He says know because he loves you and is trying to protect you because he knows what goes down at parties like that. He says no not because he wants to be mean but because he wants to teach us a few things through experience so that when he sees we are ready to go to that party we know how to handle it. It comes back to experience and value. If we look at life we often value things more if we worked hard for them The good people that seem to suffer at the hand of evil are going through exactly that.
The good people that die because of seemingly evil situations dont die from the evil they encountered but because God has called them to Him. God's love has been misunderstood by the way we see love today as the airy floating butterfly love but does it really last. Our grandparents are still togther for 50 years because they have been at it There are so manythings happening in todays world because God i believe is saying "Look my beloved children, I love you so much I have left you to go out and see the world, but is there any good from it, the idols you worship have they brought any change into your world?
I wont disappoint you" We have troubled Christians of which I am one because we ignore God's request to help us with everything we need be it losing weight or relationships He wants to help us. I dont know the Bible from beginning to End but because Jesus lives within me thats enough for me to try each and every day to act in LOVE. Dennis, I believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. May you be able to continue receiving love and wisdom from God so that you can continue to bless and guide others.
Dear Muhammad, First of all, I'd like to tell you that I really appreciate your openness to a discussion with me. If only you can see my heart, you will discover how much I care about you and how much I want you to embrace Jesus in your life for I truly believe from my study of the Bible that He truly is the only Way, Truth and Life and that no one can get to Heaven except through Him. I'm not engaging you to a discussion so that another person will be included in the list of Christians. I only want to lead another person like you to the only way to be reconciled to God.
As to your opinion that it's quite cruel for God to put man thru evil as a result of his free will just to fulfill the purpose of receiving freely given love, here's my best answer to that Man will have so many questions to God that will not get it's answer in this lifetime. And the Bible is also so clear about that. Deutoronomy tells us that "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
And I'll be honest to you. That's the best answer I can give you. But in my heart, I know that God's wisdom is so above man's combined wisdom. If you feel that the Bible has not fully answered your question then probably, the answer to your question falls on the realm of the "secret things that belong to God". This is something that we should humbly submit to God As just God's created, I must understand that God is more powerful than me and must believe in faith that He has a good reason for doing and allowing things. In the Old Testament, there's this man, Job, whom God allowed for sufferings to come to his life.
He lost all of his wealth, his children all died and he got so sick. From chapters 3 to 37, Job wanted to understand God's reasons for allowing sufferings in his life despite him being obedient to Him. He even said at one point that "he looked up, down, left, right, but couldn't find God. When God eventually answered him from chapters 38 to 41, God's answers were questions.
God started by asking Job, "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? He went on to ask Job questions about his ability to do what God has done through His creation of the universe. The gist of God's oration of questions to Job was this, "Are you as powerful as I Am for you to demand an explanation as to why I allowed sufferings to come to your life? That makes God look sadistic, right? I would agree God uses His power to do things as He sees it right, including giving us free will that we use to do evil that brings us to Hell.
But He also exercised His will to come down from His glory and die a criminal's death so that He can show us that He has a loving heart, willing to give a second chance to the very people that chose to dishonor Him with their sins. I'd just trust that He knows what He's doing and focus on what He has allowed man to see like the love He demonstrated for sinners like you and me when He died on the cross 2, years ago. I would also dwell on the fact that after 3 days, He rose from the grave, because that means that I can have full confidence that He is able to give what He has promised any person who will repent of their sins and trust Him for his salvation I'll keep on praying for you.
I'll pray that God would grant to you, not understanding, but faith to believe that God knows what He's doing. Sincerely Dennis. Dear Dennis First of all I want to thank you. Your words are sincere and your concern for me and others genuine and this is priceless. So thank you. As I mentioned earlier, I am born muslim and have lately been troubled by these questions hence posted a question here on your forum. The last answer you gave i. I suppose this is one of those points where Bible and Quran agree. When you mentioned the Book of Job, I was surprised, because I have recently read the first 20 or so chapters in one sitting and believe me I could relate word — for — word how Job related his feelings.
I could not have expressed my questions to God better than how Job did. I think I owe it to myself and read the rest of the book. But the end explanation, either in Quran or in the Bible, that God is above our judgment questioning or reasoning is not satisfactory. I still think, no matter how powerful God is, He does not have the right to make another sentient being suffer — let alone create a sentient being for the purpose of suffering to fulfil His desires or plans.
I will complete the book of Job soon, and will share my thoughts here. Thank you and bless you. Hi Muhammad, Hope you don't mind me jumping into the discussion. I totally understand where you're coming from; I asked this and a host of other questions myself. Your question was that why would God give us free will if He knew we're going to use it for evil. Try to think about this scenario first: You have a lovely son and you're enjoying every minute of him.
He's growing up as a smart intelligent kid. He's very kind to his friends and other folks except a certain group of people. He grew up to be a typical teen, smarter but not any less "annoying" than any other teen. Let's say you enjoyed being your son as he grows up to be a fine gentleman.
He has illusions of grandeur but that's not exactly a bad thing.
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Now here's the question, what if that son of yours grew up to be the leader of a country that wipes out a jews in the most horrible ways and other people in war? What if you knew the moment he was born than he was going to do all those horrible things to other people, would you sacrifice all those years of him growing up in your arms. Now relating that to your question about God, is the "juice worth the squeeze"? For me, I don't think it is. Looking at the world right now and how horrible it has become, I'd rather not create man if I were God.
But I'm not God. I don't have infinite knowledge and power.
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Maybe the juice is worth the squeeze. Or maybe He has other plans for the human race that we don't know yet. And that's the rub, we don't know… yet. At this point, I'm more than satisfied that He does. Now, I don't understand why anybody would spend a lot on that.
Maybe he's seeing value on that image that we don't see. Maybe he has a purpose for that image that's worth more than the value he spent for it. We don't know.
By the same token, why would God pay for us miserable humans with the precious blood of His Son? I don't know either. But I'm confident that He either has a purpose for us or we're seeing a value in us that we don't really see. Last point, if we stop believing in the God of the Bible, what options do we have?
We could be atheist but atheism can't account for evil. If we're all molecules in motion, killing an innocent would help in the survival of the fittest; which means evil is good. We could go to Islam but Islam instructs that Muslims kill people of other religion where they stand Sura 2, verse , which includes innocent people. I'm sure you could relate to this more than anyone else. So that doesn't account for evil either.